It's against God's will.
- God has not said anything about it. So, all that abomination stuff, Adam and Eve people say is simply what people thought more than 2000 years ago which some people now have chosen to believe those that wrote these books as the word of some god, regardless of how silly and contradictory it sounds. It's just an old book ok. That you have chosen to believe it is the word of God is one thing, but that doesn't make it true just because you want to believe it. And, just because they wrote in the book that it is the word of God, it is not proof it is (LOL!).
- God has not said anything about it. So, all that abomination stuff, Adam and Eve people say is simply what people thought more than 2000 years ago which some people now have chosen to believe those that wrote these books as the word of some god, regardless of how silly and contradictory it sounds. It's just an old book ok. That you have chosen to believe it is the word of God is one thing, but that doesn't make it true just because you want to believe it. And, just because they wrote in the book that it is the word of God, it is not proof it is (LOL!).
Homosexuals choose to have sex.
YES! Of course. So? The argument is not about a choice of having sex. That is a choice. The argument is about not having a choice as to whom they are sexually "attracted" to. You are born with that attraction. If you are a Straight man you will be attracted to women, period. No choice in the matter. Of course, to have sex with a woman you still must have her consent, and she must be an adult (so, no children involved ever). Well, the same must be for Homosexuals for which no choice of their own they happen to be attracted to same sex people. And just like Straight men can have sex with women Gays can also have sex with whoever they were born to be attracted to. That's it. That's the point of the whole thing. And both acts are equally moral. Regardless of what people 3000 years ago thought. Remember that they also thought the Earth was Flat and the center of all the planets and the Sun, Ok? So, it is not a good idea to use the bible as a reasoning tool or proof of anything. it only nulls your arguments.
Can't talk against Gays now, but it is OK to bash Christians?
Yes. It's two different animals. You can't bash Gays just for being gay. Just like you can't bash Straight people just for being Straight. You could bash them for doing wrong deeds, which brings me to the other animal, sort of speak. People bash Christians for the same reasons Christian bash other Religions (like Islam); both Islam and Christianity (Judaism too) all point at the racism, sexism, genocide, war mongering and contradictions that the other holy books have, which is all true! Then both sides go on the defense, pointing out all the good things they do, and the good things their books say, but all ignoring the atrocities and contradictions in it. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't play nice with one hand, while with the other hand hold a demonic, insensitive, plain wrong book demeaning other human beings with your own set of morals based on illogical Reasoning. Drop the book. Do good deeds, not words, and no one will bash you. You don't have to belong to a religion or believe in a god(s) to be good. You just have to be good.
YES! Of course. So? The argument is not about a choice of having sex. That is a choice. The argument is about not having a choice as to whom they are sexually "attracted" to. You are born with that attraction. If you are a Straight man you will be attracted to women, period. No choice in the matter. Of course, to have sex with a woman you still must have her consent, and she must be an adult (so, no children involved ever). Well, the same must be for Homosexuals for which no choice of their own they happen to be attracted to same sex people. And just like Straight men can have sex with women Gays can also have sex with whoever they were born to be attracted to. That's it. That's the point of the whole thing. And both acts are equally moral. Regardless of what people 3000 years ago thought. Remember that they also thought the Earth was Flat and the center of all the planets and the Sun, Ok? So, it is not a good idea to use the bible as a reasoning tool or proof of anything. it only nulls your arguments.
Can't talk against Gays now, but it is OK to bash Christians?
Yes. It's two different animals. You can't bash Gays just for being gay. Just like you can't bash Straight people just for being Straight. You could bash them for doing wrong deeds, which brings me to the other animal, sort of speak. People bash Christians for the same reasons Christian bash other Religions (like Islam); both Islam and Christianity (Judaism too) all point at the racism, sexism, genocide, war mongering and contradictions that the other holy books have, which is all true! Then both sides go on the defense, pointing out all the good things they do, and the good things their books say, but all ignoring the atrocities and contradictions in it. Well, you can't have it both ways. You can't play nice with one hand, while with the other hand hold a demonic, insensitive, plain wrong book demeaning other human beings with your own set of morals based on illogical Reasoning. Drop the book. Do good deeds, not words, and no one will bash you. You don't have to belong to a religion or believe in a god(s) to be good. You just have to be good.
A Heterosexual man replies that Gays being attracted to another man is a choice.
- If you say being attracted is a choice, then you are saying YOU could CHOOSE to be attracted to another man?
Right, I didn't think so.
You can still choose to have sex with another man, yes. But you can not choose to be attracted to another man. For that, you need to be born with it (unless you are Bi-sexual, but still, they are born with that duality).
A man (Straight) asked what could possibly compel another man to have sex with another man, if it was't choice?
What compels you to have sex with women, is what compels gay men to have sex with men: natural sexual attraction, from birth.
You know, in the end, this whole argument of choice is pointless under a legal point of view of Equality under our Constitution. It doesn't really matter if you are born Gay or Straight or whether it is a choice, because you still have the right to have sex with whoever you want as long as there is adult consent. We already have laws against inappropriate sexual behavior and it applies equally to all genders (Male, Female, Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transsexual).
The only problem is that those with Religious views confuse the issue of Equality under our Constitution, which GLBT people and the rest of us want to bring about, with their personal religious views which are squarely only about having sex with same gender which they want to superimpose on the rest of us, over riding the same Constitution that allows them the freedom of their Religion views. That confusion is the reason we can't come to terms; we are not talking about the same thing. Their religious views prohibit them from Reasoning the Equality issue which the rest of the World is trying to argue with them. Instead, after all the noise they start all their arguments with, which are all shut down with reasonable rebuttals from our side, it always boils down to the same old thing: "Can't have sex with same sex people because our God says so. That makes it immoral. And to prove that He really said so, it is written in this ancient book; the old folks that wrote it heard Him say it. What more proof do you want?!" :-)
The only problem is that those with Religious views confuse the issue of Equality under our Constitution, which GLBT people and the rest of us want to bring about, with their personal religious views which are squarely only about having sex with same gender which they want to superimpose on the rest of us, over riding the same Constitution that allows them the freedom of their Religion views. That confusion is the reason we can't come to terms; we are not talking about the same thing. Their religious views prohibit them from Reasoning the Equality issue which the rest of the World is trying to argue with them. Instead, after all the noise they start all their arguments with, which are all shut down with reasonable rebuttals from our side, it always boils down to the same old thing: "Can't have sex with same sex people because our God says so. That makes it immoral. And to prove that He really said so, it is written in this ancient book; the old folks that wrote it heard Him say it. What more proof do you want?!" :-)
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